October 29, 2014
Not Really Effective, but Surprisingly Good
matching their 14.5mm anti-tank rifles against captured German tanks.
First is a "heavy tank". I have no idea what it is, aside from that it's German. Here are the results with a 14.5 mm AT rifle:
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While looking for info on the Ukranian situation I blundered into this,
It's an interesting post on penetration tests that the Soviets did matching their 14.5mm anti-tank rifles against captured German tanks.
- Lower front plate (45 mm at 10 degrees): does not penetrate
- Turret rear (28-30 mm at 10 degrees): penetrates at 200 meters, 100 meters at a 30 degree angle
- Turret platform side (28-30 mm): penetrates at over 300 meters, 100 meters at a 30 degree angle
- Lower hull side (28-30 mm): penetrates at over 400 meters, 100 meters at a 30 degree angle
This is a bit better than I would have thought.
The performance against what are described as medium and light tanks is correspondingly better. I would not want to face these in a Panzer2 or even some modern APCs, and certainly not in a Humvee.
The"rifles" are beasts of course, with the lighter, single shot version weighing nearly 41 pounds and being 79 inches long. I suppose if one put a bayonet on one it would be a serviceable pike. These were obsolescent later in the war, but it is apparent that they were still quite effective weapons if used well. I knew these guns were still in use around the world as antimaterial rifles, but the linked post gives a much greater appreciation of how fearsome they can be.
"That just ain't right!".
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They wouldn't be as effective against Chobham armor.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Wed Oct 29 20:13:24 2014 (+rSRq)
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Well...Yeah.
Bur for irregular warfare they can still be used to some effect, and are cheaper to maintain and feed.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Wed Oct 29 20:17:24 2014 (DnAJl)
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The 14.5mm round is still in common use in vehicle machine gun KPV(T).
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Wed Oct 29 22:38:19 2014 (RqRa5)
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I don't know that I'd want to take the old MN 91/30 out against a tank, even if it is theoretically possible to penetrate the rear turret armor. "Don't shoot it, you'll just make it mad!"
Give me a top-attack-profile guided missile any day. Preferably one with fire-and-forget performance. Pop up, pop off the shot, hit the dirt until the booms stop...
Give me a top-attack-profile guided missile any day. Preferably one with fire-and-forget performance. Pop up, pop off the shot, hit the dirt until the booms stop...
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at Thu Oct 30 02:05:32 2014 (ZeBdf)
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Similar anti-materiel rifles are still being made, in that caliber and 20 mm. The main one that comes to mind is the Denel NTW-20. It is a beast.
Posted by: Mauser at Thu Oct 30 05:33:26 2014 (TJ7ih)
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The Barrett Long Rifle has a similar capability. (It fires .50 BMG.) And it's in active use by American snipers.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Thu Oct 30 06:26:27 2014 (+rSRq)
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Give me a top-attack-profile guided missile any day.
Try to carry more than one. Leastwise with the AT Rifle, you can fire more than once.
Try to carry more than one. Leastwise with the AT Rifle, you can fire more than once.
Posted by: Wonderduck at Thu Oct 30 15:16:07 2014 (jGQR+)
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