October 29, 2014
Not Really Effective, but Surprisingly Good
While looking for info on the Ukranian situation I blundered into this, It's an interesting post
on penetration tests that the Soviets did
matching their 14.5mm anti-tank rifles against captured German tanks.
First is a "heavy tank". I have no idea what it is, aside from that it's German. Here are the results with a 14.5 mm AT rifle:
- Lower front plate (45 mm at 10 degrees): does not penetrate
- Turret rear (28-30 mm at 10 degrees): penetrates at 200 meters, 100 meters at a 30 degree angle
- Turret platform side (28-30 mm): penetrates at over 300 meters, 100 meters at a 30 degree angle
- Lower hull side (28-30 mm): penetrates at over 400 meters, 100 meters at a 30 degree angle
This is a bit better than I would have thought.
The performance against what are described as medium and light tanks is correspondingly better. I would not want to face these in a Panzer2 or even some modern APCs, and certainly not in a Humvee.
The"rifles" are beasts of course, with the lighter, single shot version
weighing nearly 41 pounds and being 79 inches long. I suppose if one put a bayonet on one it would be a serviceable pike. These were obsolescent later in the war, but it is apparent that they were still quite effective weapons if used well. I knew these guns were still in use around the world as antimaterial rifles, but the linked post gives a much greater appreciation of how fearsome they can be.
"That just ain't right!".
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They wouldn't be as effective against Chobham armor.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Wed Oct 29 20:13:24 2014 (+rSRq)
Bur for irregular warfare they can still be used to some effect, and are cheaper to maintain and feed.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Wed Oct 29 20:17:24 2014 (DnAJl)
The 14.5mm round is still in common use in vehicle machine gun KPV(T).
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Wed Oct 29 22:38:19 2014 (RqRa5)
I don't know that I'd want to take the old MN 91/30 out against a tank, even if it is theoretically possible to penetrate the rear turret armor. "Don't shoot it, you'll just make it mad!"
Give me a top-attack-profile guided missile any day. Preferably one with fire-and-forget performance. Pop up, pop off the shot, hit the dirt until the booms stop...
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at Thu Oct 30 02:05:32 2014 (ZeBdf)
Similar anti-materiel rifles are still being made, in that caliber and 20 mm. The main one that comes to mind is the Denel NTW-20
. It is a beast.
Posted by: Mauser at Thu Oct 30 05:33:26 2014 (TJ7ih)
The Barrett Long Rifle has a similar capability. (It fires .50 BMG.) And it's in active use by American snipers.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Thu Oct 30 06:26:27 2014 (+rSRq)
Give me a top-attack-profile guided missile any day.
Try to carry more than one. Leastwise with the AT Rifle, you can fire more than once.
Posted by: Wonderduck at Thu Oct 30 15:16:07 2014 (jGQR+)
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