RFS Moskva
Apropos of nothing...nothing at all, I feel the sudden urge to leave this here.
RFS Moskva is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. This class was intended as a mass produced compliment to the much larger and more expensive Kirov class ships. In the end the production run was cut short due to the fall of the U.S.S.R.
Moskva is one of only three ships of her type in Russian service. Next to RFS Peter the Great, these 3 ships are the most powerful surface combatants in the Russian navy, sporting 16 supersonic antiship cruise missiles with thousand pound warheads. This means that this very visible, expensive and powerful unit is a politically significant asset. Sending her to command the Eastern Mediterranean squadron in Tartus is not done lightly and is a signal of considerable national resolve.
Russia has two interests in Syria. The naval base in Tartus is one of their last overseas bases and is exceedingly important to them strategically. Furthermore the Al-Qaeda affiliated rebels are closely allied with the extremists who have been killing Russian civilians throughout the Caucuses in great numbers. If Syria's nerve gas and other weapons fall into rebel hands those materials can be expected to be killing Russian citizens in short order.
So the Russians have some quite compelling reasons to be there.
So...a bunch of US and Russian Navy ships in close proxmity and at cross puropses, with the Americas firing missiles over the Russians; Former Senator Fred Thompson has thoughts on that scenario....
UPDATE: Pete Zatciev points out in the comments that Russia has abandoned the Tartus Base. In my defense the Wikipedia page says the Russians are denying this....(and they may well be) but it does look like the base was largely abandoned back in June and the Russian Federation navy is just patrolling outside it.
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So, what do you think about the concept of a "missile cruiser"? Seems like nowhere near as capable or versatile as a carrier. Is it even good for anything?
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Wed Sep 4 13:35:21 2013 (RqRa5)
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If you're talking about this particular ship, she is a bit old and doesnt have the ABM and AAA capabilities of our destroyers. However, it is in some ways more powerful. The 16 humongous SSMs are designed to take a carrier out. The 130mm gun is one of the most powerful naval rifles in service today with good shore bombardment and even anti missile capability. The ship has a respectable antiaircraft capability. A carrier is more versatile to be sure and has vastly more firepower, but this is still a a potentially useful ship and it can be risked where the Russian carrier can't.
I understand Moskva has been fitted with extensive flagship facilities. A flagship may not seem important in an age of satellite communications
but they have proved their utility to the USN which is why we still have
a few old slow amphibious command ships as flagships.
Finally, because this is a big prestige unit, sending her to Syria sends powerful political signals.
If your asking about big non carrier ships in general, then I think there is a place for them, something needs to escort the carriers and a bigger ship can carry more missiles. Since the 1970s the USN has periodically tried to get big surface combatants to carry big radars and lots of missiles. Ships can be detached from a carrier task force for independent duty and a surface action group can carry surface to surface missiles into areas a carrier might not be available for. Nowadays there is also ABM patrol, with a ship on station to defend against ballistic missiles.
So yeah I think the idea of a cruiser or at least a large surface combatant is still viable. A navy needs several types complementing each other.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Wed Sep 4 15:29:44 2013 (F7DdT)
Yes, carriers are very capable. They're also extremely expensive. USS George HW Bush (CVN-77) cost $6.2 billion just to build, not counting the cost of her air wing (which is probably at least another billion).
You'd think we could build missile cruisers for less than that, but the planned "Zumwalt" class is supposed to come in at $7 billion each. Amazing, isn't it? These days it seems like the Navy has joined the Air Force in building everything out of platinum.
Part of the problem is class inflation. The Ticonderogas were (IIRC) the last ship class that the US Navy called "Cruisers" and they came in at 9800 tons.
The last group of Arleigh Burke "destroyers" were 10,800 tons. A modern American "frigate" comes in at a size which, in WWII, would be considered a "light cruiser". (The Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates are 4200 tons.)
I don't think the US Navy has anything any more which would meet the WWII definition of a "destroyer", let alone the smaller "destroyer escort". Pretty much, the only armed ships the US owns like that belong to the Coasties.
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Part of the reason, I think, is the AEGIS system. The amount of equipment required, and in particular the size of the antennas, imposes a minimum size on the ship. And an escort ship for a carrier that doesn't have AEGIS (or something like it) is pretty useless. What I don't understand is why those ships get called "destroyers" instead of "cruisers".
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Man, that thing's a Navy Cross just waitin' to happen.
Scary thought: a WWII Destroyer outguns any ship in the current US fleet.
Posted by: Wonderduck at Wed Sep 4 22:01:15 2013 (ifb6Y)
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It's a nice thought, but it isn't true. A WWII destroyer usually had 8-12 guns depending on model, but they only fired once every 10-15 seconds. A modern 3-inch gun mount can fire 80 rounds a minute.
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I was thinking that a ship like that is going to be vulnerable to guided torpedoes, while her offensive weaponry is going to have trouble penetrating ABM defences. BTW, AFAIK Moskva isn't going to visit Tartus, which was wholly abandoned recently (in a surprise move Russians relocated all the base personnel to Cyprus, where they berth and service the so-called "BDK" ships, which shuttle to supply Assad). So Tartus now is a former base, like Kamran. And I don't see anyone expecting Russia go to war with Laos or Cambodia over Kamran.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Thu Sep 5 12:39:30 2013 (RqRa5)
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The P-1000 is a supersonic low altitude missile so it gives a very brief window in which to intercept it. Given that it's supposed to be fired in salvos its quite possible one or more might get through. Wikepedia says Russian tactics involve firing about 8 per carrier targeted.
I had not heard anything about Tartus being abandoned. I hadn't heard that and keep hearing about it...but you're right.
Thanks for pointing that out Pete. I shall dine upon the flesh of the Crow bird this evening.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Thu Sep 5 13:19:07 2013 (F7DdT)
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Make no mistake, they still support Assad, and not just in UN. Someone high up merely decided not to receive Tomahawks while at the base, and thought it were much less likely for U.S. to bomb Cyprus. They roll one BDK at a time into a Syrian port, roll containers and pallets off it quickly, bolt back out to sea.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Thu Sep 5 13:42:52 2013 (RqRa5)
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Oh I agree. They wouldn't be patrolling off the Syrian coast or sending the Black Sea flagship if they didn't.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Thu Sep 5 17:11:14 2013 (F7DdT)
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Steven sez: "A WWII destroyer usually had 8-12 guns depending on model, but they only
fired once every 10-15 seconds. A modern 3-inch gun mount can fire 80
rounds a minute."
The 5"/38 on the US Navy's Sumner-class DDs could fire at 15 rounds/minute. There were six of them per ship. And, by the way, they were larger rounds to boot.
I'll stand by my claim, thanks.
Posted by: Wonderduck at Thu Sep 5 22:43:07 2013 (ifb6Y)
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At this point, he's gotten away with everything, pretty much. He's probably seeing just how far he can go. I'm not sure what it would take to get the press to report on something negative about him. The Onion was prescient when they wrote that story about the media trying to figure out how to report on him brutally murdering two people.
Posted by: RickC at Wed Sep 4 18:57:57 2013 (swpgw)
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The radio this morning had audio of Obama doing the verbal equivalent of that hang-dog drawing in the dirt with the toe of your shoe thing that urchins used to pull while trying to weasel their way out of an obligation or chore or what have you. Basically conceding that he wasn't expecting to win congressional approval for his meaningless burst of clarifying ultraviolence. Since the rest of the coverage emphasized the uncertainty of the vote, I can only conclude that he *wants* to be told "no".
Posted by: Mitch H. at Fri Sep 6 12:11:32 2013 (jwKxK)
Here's the thing.
I had like 14 tabs open and was looking for info on cycler times between Earth and the main belt so I have NO idea what site this pop-up spam scam was lurking on...but I gather that they're preying on space geeks.
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Reading Buzz Aldrin's original PhD thesis on cyclers was on my bucket list for a long time. To think that Buzz was not just the 2nd on the Moon, but also a real scientist... I mean all astronauts and cosmonauts presented PhDs, but Buzz's was a real deal that may one day save the humanity, not just a rubberstamp PhD. Ironically, it competes, in a way, against a fellow astronaut Lopez-Alegria's PhD thesis that aims to alleviate the need for cycler by using exceedingly tricky plasma phisics. My Russian colleagues are evenly split on the feasibility of VASIMR, in particular if the magnetic field is going to be straightened or not and if electrons are going to separate. Unfortunately, my highly prestigious phisics diploma does not help much after decades of disuse, but it does look like Buzz may just win in the end. His physics definitely works, while Lopez-Alegria's maybe, maybe not.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Sun Sep 1 14:19:35 2013 (RqRa5)
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Wasn't there a malicious site that actually WOULD hold your computer hostage with some downloaded malware?
BTW, RWBY is up to episode 7.
Posted by: Mauser at Sun Sep 1 21:40:51 2013 (TJ7ih)
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I recently saw a video made from the original series, and it's amazing the number of skirt-flips and panty shots Yuki (Nova) was subjected to that apparently never made it into the English version...
Also a lot more crudely animated than I remembered.
Posted by: Mauser at Sun Sep 1 00:53:28 2013 (TJ7ih)
"I've started watching Attack on Titan again. Watching a giant bite the head off somebody, then pull them apart and eat them is so much less disturbing than watching that poor girl in Watamote humiliate herself. "
Full disclosure: Actual monsters in Attack on Titan are considerably less cute than this .gif implies.
In other news: We can now re-size .gifs in Minx. Wo0t!
Some of his commentors ask a perfectly logical question. 'Who gassed the civilians?' It is widely assumed that Assad did it and indeed he may have. His motivation for doing it on the anniversary of the 'Red Line Speech' would be to show himself to be powerful enough to stand up to the US and gaining the 'badass cred' so important in that part of the world.
However, Al-Quaeda has a more straightforward motivation. They want Assad bombed and his airforce neutralized. We know from painful experience in Iraq that Al-Quaeda is quite capable of using Sarin gas shells to kill (Iraqi nerve gas shells were used as ICWDs). We know that the rebels have overrun some Syrian arms caches. The attack, while horrific was rather small considering the risk. It was not a tide turning attack but an attack on a small group of noncombatants..mostly women and children. This is unlikely to hurt the rebels materially and can only serve to strengthen their resolve and gain them international support. It also could bring about an attack on the Assad regime by the US....which seems to be happening.
The circumstances of the attack are unclear, but it appears to have been
confined to a small area in a refugee camp. This is the sort of gas
attack the rebels might be able to pull off.
I dunno who did it, but such ambiguity might be used by the President to not end up being Al-Quaeda's air-force in Syria.
UPDATE: Well....Derp.
Hopefully the Final Nidal Hassan PostAce links to and comments upon a report that describes how Hassan's violent tendencies were well known and ignored. This is well known...the news here is that it's being covered by Mother Jones. I urge you to read both Ace's post which adds a good bit of context and the full Mother Jones article, which indicates that the dereliction of duty was even worse than was previously known.
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Heard a news story yesterday quoting one of his defense counselors who has utterly baffled by Hassan's failure to defend himself. The quote was basically, "We don't know why he did it. He could have taken the stand and explained his actions, maybe apologized, and it would have helped his case. I don't understand what he's thinking."
This man must have had earplugs in during the trial.
Posted by: Ben at Thu Aug 29 08:17:09 2013 (Oftf2)
Varioius Links
I'm not going to work today because of my sprained ankle.
I REALLY should have adjusted the alarm clock to take that into account.
Now that I'm up here are various links I found interesting.
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Joe McCarthy might have been a nasty paranoid fear-monger, but he was also - at least partly - right.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Wed Aug 28 04:58:10 2013 (PiXy!)
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Meh, McCarthy was less right than lucky. Say what you will about Nixon, but the man did his homework. McCarthy never did, he just blindly splashed around on his way to an alcohol-soaked early grave. He had nothing to do with the Hiss matter - that was the House committee, not the Senat - rather, he went around accusing random shadowed corners of the State Department of harboring secreted Marxists. He might as well have stomped about Washington with a commie-detecting dowsing rod - yeah, he would have found a few spies, if only by sheer coincidence.
Posted by: Mitch H. at Wed Aug 28 10:37:06 2013 (jwKxK)
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McCarthy, we now know, was alarmingly right, to the point of almost 100%. His finger pointing was so accurate that I wonder if someone leaked information from the Venona project in frustration over the whole "They can't know that we know that they know that we know that they know!" mindset that gave the Soviets the bomb....
Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at Wed Aug 28 15:23:28 2013 (Omb+U)
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I find that leaving my alarm clock set at the normal time on days when I don't work is helpful, because otherwise it tends to mess with my circadian rhythms. It keeps me from sleeping an extra 3 hours, then being up late that night and tired the next day.
Posted by: RickC at Thu Aug 29 19:09:09 2013 (swpgw)
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Man, if it weren't for bad luck, you wouldn't have any, would you?
I assume you have a cane and/or crutches now.
Also, you probably know that there's all kinds of youtube videos on how to fix those crappy gas cans, not that you probably would've been able to do it then, but you should fix yours when you get the chance.
Posted by: RickC at Thu Aug 29 19:13:22 2013 (swpgw)
This polysyllabically titled show airs on Crunchyroll a week late, so despite my judicious attempt at avoiding spoilers I'd heard considerable chatter about this episode being just wretched and 'worse than the last one'.
Given that the last episode was about our poorly socialized protagonist getting tunnel vision and missing the point of her hobby, I fully expected this episode to be a bit of a downer with Yura's Ahab complex causing issues.
Boy howdy.
One of the overriding themes of this show is sportsmanship. This episode also focuses on the importance of not becoming what one despises and how easy it is to fall into that trap, especially if one feels strongly that one's cause is noble.
The other major point of the show is that the raison d'etre' of a hobby is to enjoy oneself. This is not to say
that winning is not important, but the enjoyment is the goal. If lives are not at stake and what you are doing is unpleasant and wearying without an enjoyable payoff...then one needs to stop doing it or start collecting a paycheck for it.
As expected, Yura drives her team hard to the point of misery, at one point disregarding a fairly severe leg injury incurred by Kirishima. The kicker is that at the last minute Yura fires the winning shot....a split second after being hit.
By the rules this means Yuras winning shot was illegal but it's undetected by anyone except her opponent, the malevolent Haruna.....who smiles knowingly, informs Yura that she now respects her because she'll do anything to win and walks away.
The episode ends a tad ambiguously. Yura has the opportunity to make this right, but she's feeling a profound obligation to her teammates who she ran into the ground to get this victory....what does she do? Well we'll know for sure next week.
Of course most people reading this know that there is only one correct answer, but Yura doesn't. Her backstory is that she's never had friends. She hasn't learned about sportsmanship and she's carrying the shock of the earlier lesson about fighting to the end...for which she is seriously overcompensating.
I expect that the NEXT episode will be the nadir (emotionally...dramatically it might be quite compelling)
This is the antithesis of a shonen manga. Japanese society puts a VERY high value on giving your all and going all out whatever the cost. Shonen manga and sports manga tend to do the same with the former focusing on crushing the villain utterly.
This show, is about remembering to step back, breathe, and keep things in perspective...and how easy it is to fail to do that.
Yura is not an idiot, she's young and ignorant. She's learning, like we all do, as she goes and she's making mistakes. There is actual character development here. I'm still liking this show quite a bit though I think I may actually be the only one now.
So...for those of you who've been watching...any bets on whether or not she just flat out shaves her head this time?
Just in Case You Were Wondering
...what happens when you drop a nuke near a blimp.
Because...WE JUST HAD TO KNOW!
Actually, the test was to see if blimps, the USN's best anti submarine platforms, could actually employ the Navy's 'Lulu' nuclear depth charges they were fitted with. The conclusion was that they could...but only once. This was one of the Plumbob tests from 1957.
This test actually seems to me to be a tad inconclusive given that it involves an above ground test (with its associates flash and much greater shockwave) and a very old blimp (built in WW2).
Compare this pic and video of an actual nuclear depth charge, in this case the ASROC tests some years later. Lulu depth charges had about the same yield (11 vs 10 kt) Why the blimps weren't used in one of the maritime tests of 1957 is unclear to me.
Additionally, if you get to the point where you're actually popping off nukes, then things have pretty much gone pear shaped already. The blimps were spectacularly effective ASW platforms even with conventional weapons, but McNamerra used the 1957 test with a blimp anchored next to an atom bomb to justify scrapping all the navy's airships in the early 1960's.
Thanks to Wonderduck for sending the atomic blimp video which I've been looking for for years.
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I know McNamara is credited with several valuable military procurement reforms, but there's so many others that seem either capricious or just plain old mistakes that I wonder if he didn't just flip a coin for everything that crossed his desk...
Posted by: Siergen at Mon Aug 26 16:41:35 2013 (Ao4Kw)
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Crunching the numbers, (based on what's available through Wikipedia, so take it with a certain grain of salt), there's no good reason to prefer ASROC mounted on DD / DE hulls, instead of on the pylons of a squadron of USN blimps. Even an obsolete, WW2-built K-ship should've been outside the range of an ASROC warhead going off (especially when you factor in the added protection from it going off underwater). And the speed advantage of an airship over a sea-ship is certainly significant, especially when you add in the low-fuel-burn, long-loiter / outright-hover capability of an airship (vs a DD-carried helicopter). Even with a smaller per-hull capacity, the ability of airships to have one or two warheads in the right place in half the time (approximately, compared to the sea-ships) should've been an effective counter to the "sub flood" strategies we expected the Soviets to use in the event of a European-centered conflict. Throw in how much cheaper you'd expect a blimp to be compared to a DE (let alone a full DD), and I'm very surprised that notorious budget-hawk McNamara didn't jump at the notion.
Posted by: Rick at Wed Aug 28 23:53:26 2013 (G1HTO)
But No 'Splodies Were Had That Day
I've been trying to get various things resolved at ODU over the last few
days and while I accomplished a great deal, many of my efforts were to
no avail. Several people I needed to talk to won't be on campus until
classes start tomorrow and I don't have a good E-mail address for an
instructor I NEED to get a hold of.
Then there was the little matter yesterday of the 'ODU SAFETY ALERT'
which chimed in on my library workstation as I was trying to print out
syllabi. ODU sends these to student's campus E-mail accounts. However
ODU's G-mail system doesn't allow its E-mails to be forwarded to mobile
devices so one has to physically log in to ones Student account to
recieve E-mails. While I was logged on yesterday, I received the
following E-mail:
A
gas main has been broken during construction in Lot 19/20 behind the
Batten Arts and Letters Building. ODU Police and the Norfolk Fire
Department are on scene and restricting access to the area. The Fire
Department has confirmed no buildings need to be evacuated at this time.
Access to Perry Library is restricted to the 43nd street entrance.
The area should be avoided until police and fire units clear the area.
20 minutes later the fire alarm went off and the library was evacuated. This would have been a good to receive on my Blackberry, or the many more fashionable phones out there, but alas, ODU
wants students to actually log onto their email accounts so...no.
Science Ninja Team Gatchaman was one of the most important and influential shows in the history of anime. It looks dated today but in 1972 it had the best art and animation that had appeared on weekly Japanese TV and it was not equaled for almost a decade in that regard (Mazinger Z aired at the same time). The show was a remarkable break from the norm. Tatsuo Yoshida cherry picked elements not just from Japanese Sci-Fi films, but also Marvel Comics, Johnny Quest, '60s spy movies and the chaotic and terrifying headlines of the day. I've heard the show described as cliched..but Gatchaman MADE those cliches. The idea of the sentai team largely originated with Gatchaman,: June the exceptional strong heroine is in the finest Xia brothers tradition, Joe, the somewhat mysterious and dark second in command, occasionally complex villains, crazy malevolent transvestites....OK that last one didn't really take off but a HUGE number of anime tropes originated with Gatchaman.
I mention all this to put into perspective the epic nerd rage that seems to have gripped a number of my fellow old farts at Gatchaman Crowds, a show that is by today's standards poorly drawn, poorly animated and seems at first blush to have nigh-on nothing to do with with it's epic and beloved namesake other than the name and trademarked logo. So if you encounter one of these people just understand that this was not at all what they had hoped for and they are feeling quite depressed and alienated by "these kids today". Thus the best thing to do is quietly get off their lawn and give them a bit of space while they write their angry screeds in their APAs.
While they do so I recommend that you go to Crunchyroll and catch up on Gatchaman Crowds which is not particularly well animated and has a strange art style but makes excellent use of color and is exceedingly interesting.
This show is whacked.
Meet Hajime Ichinose. Some people march to their own drummer. She disassembled the drum to make a lampshade, a dream catcher and a flower pot because she's quite happy to skip instead.
How this girl got through Japanese school being such an elevated nail without being bullied to suicide is explained by the fact that she is possessed of a tragic affliction... preternatural perkiness. She is completely offbeat in her outlook and hobbies, one of which is collecting notebooks. When a strange 7 foot tall grey skinned man with 30mm fangs appears before her and offers her a notebook after ripping it from her very being...she gleefully adds it to her collection without reservation or concern.
She soon learns that she has been inducted into Gatchaman, a team of 3 aliens and 3 earthlings assembled by the aforementioned grey guy who all have unique abilities and are charged with defending Earth against malevolent Rubick's Cubes.
...and then the show gets strange.
I'm not entirely sure what this show is about, as it keeps changing its mind, but as it wanders down the circuitous path that is its plot I find myself enjoying the journey.
This show is clever in a lot of ways, not the least how gently and quietly it puts to rest the misconception that it has nothing to do with the old show. (It was about the third time I heard a particular word that I realized..."Hey!" ) Most of the homages and re-imaginings will be lost on today's generation, but it's obvious that the writers are all fans of the old show.
Gatchaman Crowds is quite odd and a lot of people will just break morale over the fact that Hajime is a Genki Girl cranked up to 11. I find her to be a delightful loon but your mileage may vary. The very straight laced nominal leaders of the team (one of whom is NOT a Panda) are horrified by her nonlinear habits. The rest of the team is pretty laid back about her though. Interestingly, Hajime may come off as a whackadooldle but she displays a certain uncommon sense that is sorely lacking from a lot of shows....and a lot of people.
Despite being a show about a desperate struggle against a bloodthirsty peril from beyond the stars, this show has managed to become remarkably upbeat and enjoyable and that's just part of this shows peculiar charm.
UPDATE: Don, who is liking the show too, makes a good point about the notebooks I had not caught, but which seems obvious in retrospect. He also has a lot of screen-caps.
I'm not convinced that Hajime is a loon. I think it's more complicated than that.
She's 100% good. There's not a trace of evil, or selfishness, or resentment, or self pity, or insecurity, in her. Those things affect what we do much more than we acknowledge, and since she hasn't got any of them, her behavior comes off as very strange. But she isn't stupid, she just looks at things a lot differently than the rest of us.
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