This is absolutely one of the most emotionally engaging shows in any medium I've encountered in years. It frequently accomplishes this in a most unusual way (by grabbing ones emotions by the throat, beating them upside the head with some rebar and then staking those concussed and bleeding emotions to a fire ant hill). Yes, this show is quite hard to watch at times, but is extraordinarily well paced and well thought out. Its tone and themes remind me of Ellison's Delusion for a Dragon Slayer, in that the protagonist start's out a person of, at best, mediocre character and quite unfit for what he must face. Unlike that tale however, this is a story about redemption and the fact that we can change. Subaru, the hero, is a really interesting character who learns from his numerous and painful mistakes. He comes to confront his myriad failings and change what he can, and work around those failings he cannot.
Strong women are not a novelty in this day and age, but the heroines (and villainesses) in this show are some of the best, most realistically portrayed in any fantasy series. They are written and talk like actual. umm, women, Emillia, for instance, is quite the awesome and noble character.
And it was nice to be reminded that she can righteously kick ass.
She also comes off as a real woman despite a remarkably limited time onscreen. At one point she saves Subaru's butt for approximately the umpteenth time and he apologizes for thus imposing on her. She replies that an apology is unnecessary...but a "Thank you." would be appreciated. Exchanges like that, actual things that actual humans might actually say, really make this show.
Re: Zero is heartbreaking and terrifying at times, far more so than one would expect given the show's central conceit, but the fact that they can pull that off is a remarkable achievement. Any show can be grim and gritty, but this show uses the horror as a way to move the characters forward and contrast to the show's highs. The writers here do so masterfully.
The show has a bit to say about the nature of love and its complexity including its selfish component, and how pride can toxify anything. The show also deals with the more painful sides of love such as loss.
...and the heartbreak of the friendzone.
Oh...my GOD what an awesome character Rem is. Although she is also very well realized and exquisitely written, her adoration and servant outlook comes off as perhaps too möe for comfort.
However, her character is really, really well written and she is a truly admirable and courageous character and cute as a button and just all kinds of awesome.
But this is not a harem show, and the one thing that kept Subaru going was his love for Emillia, so this.....OH DAMNIT!!
Re:ZERO Starting Life in Another World is a superbly engineered emotional rollercoaster that may cause nausea and night-sweats, but unlike most rollercoasters, which take you back to where you started, this is a terrifyingly thrilling journey to a much better place
While there are some unresolved plot threads, the ending is perfectly satisfying as is. If they decide to do more I'll definitely be watching it.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Tue Sep 27 18:38:06 2016 (KicmI)
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J, those are very cute girls. (Unless it's one who is messing with strange contact lenses, the one with purple hair has blue eyes and the one with pink hair has brown eyes.)
The first remake hit it out of the park. Yamato 2199 was both inspiring an intelligent. It was quite faithful to the original series while being sufficiently different to genuinely surprise the fans. It was one of the best military themed shows of the last several years. Now they are doing what certainly looks to be a similar reimagining of season 2.
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I have to admit, and I'm sure you will note I have tended to be a pessimist concerning RWBY the past couple of years, that I did not actually expect Rooster Teeth to proceed with Volume 4. I had formed the impression that RT was unsure of how to proceed after V3, and so was pivoting to RWBY Chibi as the flagship product.
I'm glad I was wrong.
Posted by: Ben at Wed Sep 14 23:54:04 2016 (B1bvu)
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I sure hope Volume 4 is less of a downer, though.
Posted by: Rick C at Thu Sep 15 12:07:08 2016 (ECH2/)
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Thu Sep 15 16:40:45 2016 (1zM3A)
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We never watched the eps after Penny was defunct; it was the midst of my wife's chemo and looking at death was not high on our 'watch list.'
Our oldest daughter keeps up; we'll find out from her if S4 is worth it. My fear? A bunch of Peoples Republic of Austin PoMoTrazis drive this right into the ground.
Unimpressed by the premise and the series poster (which screams harem) I started this show several weeks late. Life's little interventions have seen to it that I'm still 5 episodes behind, but this series warrants some comment before I rectify that transgression.
Re: Zero Starting Life in Another World is yet another story about a directionless young man who is zapped (for reasons unclear) into a Tolkien-esque land of adventure.
But wait...don't go yet...
Subaru Natsuki takes a break from his grueling schedule of computer games to zip off to the local convenience store for a bite to eat, upon walking out his vision goes blurry for a moment and as as he refocuses, he notes that he is not in Saitama anymore...
Our intrepid hero, after a moment of astonishment is remarkably calm. Having played MMORPGs and watched anime all his life, his first conclusion is not that he has had a stroke, or suffered head trauma, but that he has been drawn to this world to be a champion.
Over the course of the day he notes that he is illiterate in this land, has no legal tender, no special powers, and his starting inventory consists of a bag of nabs, a cup of tonkatsu ramen, a manga, a cell phone ( that is of limited utility as he is currently out of area) a jogging suit, a wallet and a plastic bag. Things begin to deteriorate from there until he encounters a young half-elf lady who introduces herself as Satella.
She determines, via inspection of his hands and physique that Subaru must (like her) be foreign nobility. They assist each other for approximately 17 minutes at which point the aforementioned situational deterioration resumes...with interest.
She dies. He dies. Everybody dies, quite horribly, painfully and graphically. However, Subaru discovers that he has one unique ability here. When he dies, he materializes alive, but with all of his memories at the time and place that he entered this realm.
This is an astonishingly well written and thought out show. Subaru is a teenage geek and the story pulls no punches in laying out his delusions and incompetence. However, while he is realistically portrayed as initially pigheaded and self absorbed, he gets better in a believable (given the conceits of the show) and satisfying way. This is some of the best character development I've seen in a while. Subaru screws up a fair amount, but his errors are often not stupid. He learns from his mistakes and even when he learns the wrong thing he never stops fighting the good fight. Subaru is also terribly alone, not just because he's in a strange land, but because he becomes privy to a secret he cannot share, and what those around him assume to be flashes of insight are earned in the most horrible and painful way possible.
Yeah, every time he dies, he re-spawns, goes through the whole process again, makes a note of where he screwed up and tries to save the day from a different angle...as often as not he dies again....horribly. painfully and with the memories of his agonizing and multitudinous dismemberments weighing on his sanity as he tries again from yet another angle. At least he finds that if he goes long enough without dying, his resurrection point changes to a time and place more recent. As taxing as his death scenes are on him, the biggest scar on Subaru's soul may have been inflicted that one time he didn't die. His character development includes quite a bit of PTSD which is completely believable.
"Satella" is an astonishingly well realized character. She too is, for different reasons, quite pointedly alone. However, what is remarkable about her is that her responses to events and, in particular, Subaru's antics are all quite realistic (given the caveat that she's a bit of an odd duck). She is very well written and comes across as an actual, complex, believable young woman. She is a magic user of some skill, but she has great strength of character as well.
Her real name is Emilia, and she has been brought in from afar on the sponsorship of a local nobleman as a contender for the throne of this kingdom. There is a succession crisis and all the local candidates of eligible bloodlines represent special interests that are at odds with one another. The nobleman introduced her as a long shot candidate in the hopes that her unbiased outlook would prevent civil war...at least that's his official story. That she is a result of miscegenation makes her a particular long shot and has complicated her life quite a bit.
This is one of those shows that looks like the writers sold it to corporate as a harem show, and included several potential suitors for our hero in the concept art. However, that is a cunning misdirection. While there is, at episode 14 at least the potential for a love triangle or an alternate love interest in another extremely well realized female character, this is not a harem show at all. In fact the poster at the top is quite misleading as it leaves out all of the male characters except the protagonist...some of whom are actually attached to women in the picture
Re: Zero Starting Life in Another World is (as of episode 14) a first rate fantasy, gut wrenchingly dark at times, but surprisingly intelligent and beautifully characterized. This is a really good show that has kept me on the edge of my seat. I'm enjoying it immensely.
Do note that there are two pilot episodes(1A&1B)...you do need to watch them both.
UPDATE:Also, while this is a wonderful character centered adventure, I may have understated how graphically violent this tonal rollercoaster occasionally is.
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See, there's this chart on the wall containing little boxes and each one contains a one or two-word plot element. They throw darts at the board, and include every one that they hit.
High School Fleet Ends
Pinch me, so I know it's not a dream!
I wasn't the only one pleased to finally reach this last episode...though for different reasons than the Harekaze's torpedo officer.
Actually, the final episode was not terrible and the series as a whole would have been significantly better if episode 11 had not existed. The few good moments of that debacle could have easily been incorporated into this story.
The whole 'Captain has a nervous breakdown' plot point from episode 11 was chucked into the scuppers and the climax revolves around a fairly satisfying battle with Captain Akeno handling her ship with great verve as it is is gradually shot out from under her. Some old friends arrive to provide support at a crucial moment...
...and Akeno uses the opportunity to get her stricken vessel (and the only available stock of the anti-zombie vaccine) alongside Musashi for a desperate boarding action in an attempt to save the day.
Afterwards, the crippled Harekaze is towed into port...
... where she sinks at her moorings as the sun sets.
Note: They are explicitly in Yokusuka, which is surrounded by mountains and cliffs, except to seaward, ie: to the east-southeast. Yes, the sun is setting in the east.
However, we never do get an explanation for why this senior officer (who, I note, is outside without her combo cover) has cat ears.
"Is it over?...Is it finally over?"
All in all, High School Fleet had some neat moments but required way too much suspension of disbelief to be taken seriously, I confess, I liked its tendency towards didactic solutions to the problems the girls faced but the show devolved rapidly into a largely inchoate mess.
The one sane person on the ship...screaming internally.
I think it was Pixy who hypothesized a process whereby writers put a bunch of current tropes on a dartboard, throw three darts and build a show based upon where those darts landed, in this case 'Cute Girls in HighSchool Doing Club Stuff' 'Naval Otakuism'...'Zombies'. Sometimes it would probably be a good idea to ponder ones options...and go back to the dartboard.
There were a lot of stupid things about this series. The "Launch all torpedoes" scene, for instance: they launched 4 fish even though they had 8. We saw one launcher unload but not the other and we saw four fish hit, not 8.
But there are a few scenes that are just amazing
This is the kind of series where I will keep a list of things worth rewatching, and when I feel like visiting it again I'll pick and choose. (Musaigen no Phantom World is like that; I have a list of about 8 scenes that I rewatch and skip all the rest. GATE II is another one like that; there are about four episodes that I consider to be complete wastes of time.)
Note though, that if you are not utterly appalled by the very existance of Overwatch, then you are probably a terrible terrible person for reasons that I don't quite get due to us terrible people not being self aware. However, some clue to the reason for our awfulness can possibly be gleaned from the following video that lays out the reason some are offended rather better than the people who say they are offended...which isn't saying much.
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The first video has a problem, not enough butt-shots of Tracer (Something that some SJWs found "Problematic" even though Widowmaker struck the same pose in the character preview screen).
:-)
Of course, they also complain about the female characters in skin tight outfits, but totally fail to notice that half of them are not (Armor and Parkas I guess negate femininity.)
The scenario and all the backstory makes for a great set of movies or something, but that all pretty much gets thrown away in the gameplay.
Posted by: Mauser at Mon Jun 27 21:03:21 2016 (5Ktpu)
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Steven, it's a new videogame from Blizzard, the folks that made World of Warcraft and all the various spinoffs. It's the current "Next Big Thing."
Tracer's cute.
Posted by: Wonderduck at Mon Jun 27 21:23:42 2016 (Hdexn)
Is it OK that I don't have the slightest idea what it is?
No Steven. It is not OK.
You have a responsibility to be offended by this and you can't be offended if you are unaware of the problem and ignorance is not only unacceptable as an excuse but actually demonstrates your callous insensitivity to the terrible injustices being perpetrated here. You should be ashamed that you are privilaged enough to be unaware of the problem.
Alternatively, while the game itself looks to be decent, the backstory characterizations and writing in the cinematic trailers at the link are quite compelling, and the character designs are...well...
(Note that out of consideration for our readers we did not use Roadhog as our example...because we care)
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Mon Jun 27 21:48:32 2016 (/4jFR)
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@ Mauser....
We studied this issue rather intensely here.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Mon Jun 27 21:58:25 2016 (/4jFR)
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I haven't played a pure FPS since Quake3Arena, but Overwatch has got me interested.
Posted by: Ben at Tue Jun 28 19:49:50 2016 (i6nDB)
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Before that, I saw someone mock the original complaint about Tracer's buttshot by substituting Winston. It was hilarious. And that was before I knew what it was about!
Although I must admit I find the purple-skinned assassin/sniper a little more intriguing. Plus she has a nice butt too.
Posted by: Mauser at Tue Jun 28 20:06:56 2016 (5Ktpu)
Nearly every season there's a series that surprises me by being a lot better than it sounded like it would be, and this season it was Bakuon!
I thought sure it was going to be a complete disaster. But it's witty and clever and has enough fan service to spice things up without sinking into a swamp of pandering, and in general is surprisingly well done. The manga it's based on is likewise witty and clever and just echi enough to make it nice without sinking into a pattern of pandering.
One of the best things about it is that it doesn't pound its jokes into the ground. The anime is following the manga closely, and the mangaka doesn't feel the need to reach out and grab the reader by the ear and say, "See? SEE? I'm being funny here! Why aren't you laughing?" He's got enough material so he doesn't need to do that, and he's confident enough in his material so he isn't insecure about it all. That kind of restraint is a big part of why the series works so well.
Ep 11 may well have been the best episode in the series so far, because of the Rin-Onsa section in the middle. It was silly and ridiculous and overwrought and terrifically funny, and once they had done it they stopped and went on to something else.
"Kill me while I still have a human soul!" is one of the best comic lines (delivered extraordinarily well by the seiyuu) in recent memory.
The mangaka laughs at his characters (especially Rin) but he isn't cruel to them, and I like that. He loves them, and so do I.
Pinch Me When This is Over
In the latest episode of High School Fleet, our intrepid Captain Akeno has a complete nervous breakdown.
"SECURE THE STRAWBERRIES!"
What follows is not the XO relieving her and taking command, but some nonsense about everyone coming together to support the CO because she's the CO and that's what you do...and stuff...
OK that was a mess.
On to more important things....
With Sena Ingenoh having left the show, I think that Wonderduck is right, the stoic lookout is the secret star of this story.
To maintain modesty while doing this in a skirt requires great skill indeed.
She regularly sees ships well before they are noticed on that silly thing called radar, she does her job without drama and a few episodes ago she waltzed in and saved the day when....well...there were zombies and she had a couple of supersoakers filled with Zom-B-Gone. She certainly is the brightest flame in this dumpster fire of a series.
Meanwhile, Captain Catgirl returns. Actually, we find out that the catgirl is a commodore and is named Hiraga. There is still absolutely no explanation for why she has cat ears.
She leads an abortive attack on Musashi using a scratch force of fast but lightly armed vessels which she handles with considerable verve, despite being completely outgunned. If one took away the whiny whininess of Akeno's neurosis in this episode, there would be a very solid 7 minute or so episode revolving around Hiraga's hopeless action and the desperate efforts
of the six un-zombified crew members on the Musashi to alert the world to the threat their ship poses Alas, we had to sit through the other 23 minutes of Akeno sucking her toes.
Captain Akeno's funk is abruptly resolved via condiments and the episode ends with the crew gearing up for the climactic battle which will be next week...rather than this week, presumably because they contracted for 12 episodes and had put this weeks utter non-sequiter into the show to pad out the story.
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Firefox 47.0 not displaying .webm's except as garbage "text"
Posted by: Mauser at Sun Jun 19 01:57:05 2016 (5Ktpu)
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Yeah, I bailed on the show a few weeks back, but Lookout was, and is, my favorite.
Posted by: Wonderduck at Sun Jun 19 16:18:55 2016 (Hdexn)
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In that shot of Lookout, and I can't help but notice that something is missing. Something kind of important to a warship. Say, the gun barrels? The lines are drawn if you look carefully, but the colorist put in background...
Posted by: David at Mon Jun 20 02:48:53 2016 (YHSti)
Something has been nagging me about this for several episodes and I couldn't put my finger on it until now: This series has very good animation, an overarching plot and some very Japanese moments...but the generally PC feel of the world, the didactic resolutions to the various pinches the girls find themselves in, and spectacular catastrophes with body counts of zero all result in an overarching tone that actually reminds me of a Hanna Barberra adventure cartoon from the '70s or perhaps a Rankin Bass show from the '80s.
There are some neat bits, the tactical use of tide-tables being a particularly good moment, and the overarching threat is a global one that the girls thus far have been able to stave off via their wits (and the Deus Ex Machina of having their corpsman in training be a prodigy). However High School Fleet continues to steer erratically through the strait separating naval otakuism from the great derp reef. So far the show has run aground on both shores multiple times.
But enough forced metaphors, I cannot in good conscience recommend this show to my readers, though I will continue watching this train wreck because it amuses me for some reason (most likely a deep-seated character flaw on my part).
In my review of episode one of this show I mentioned that, while I was unsure about it, I thought it had considerable potential. Now, 5 episodes in...I find my position unchanged.
You see, High School Fleet, is one of the most bi-polar shows I've seen in years.
Watching this can be rough, since like the waves upon which it is set, it alternates between crests of utter win and troughs that bottom out and threaten to break the very keel of the plot.
Part of this is due to the fact that Crunchyroll's subtitle job on this looks to be a bit off, at least in the early episodes. The background regarding the world setting and even the year (is it set in the future or an alternate present /past?) is sufficiently self-contradicted that I think the confusion is actually a translation issue.
At one point they state that this is an alternate past or present. The divergence in history is said to have happened after the Russo Japanese War when Japan went into mining methane hydrates, precipitating a massive methane release and rising sea levels. It is also stated in the same speech that boys are not allowed on these ships (or at least not to command them) because "boys icky..war...derp". This is contradicted in the submarine episode when we learn that boys are allowed to train on and command school submarines, and completely Jossed in epispde 5 when an all boys marine school sends ships to aid the Musashi...and find themselves getting cut to pieces.
The timing of the Post Russo Japanese War switch is belied by several things, not the least of which is the semi-submerged Tokyo Tower (built historically in 1958 ). The tech level is generally quite high except for the vintage equipment on the WW2 replica ships though the automation is remarkable.
One further thing that seems to indicate something got glossed over in translation is that the events in episodes 1-4 could have been solved with one airplane. Which would seem to be a plot hole, however, the first time we see an aircraft, it is an airship that is arriving on the scene. It is possible that heavier than air aircraft are legislated out of existence due to Ozone concerns or a briefly mentioned volcanic eruption means that only LTA craft are able to be safely used in this region of the ocean. One continuing plot point is that the excersize zone is experiencing terrible radio communications failures.
Among the other curiosities, the use of WW2 replica ships seems to be largely a feature of the protagonists girls school as, aside from the one WW2 submarine, the Boys school is using what appear to be Akitsuki class destroyers. Furthermore, the translator seems simply not aware of many nautical terms and of course there are (presumably) many (understandably) unfamiliar Japanese nautical terms adding to the general perplexity.
The show starts out as "Cute girls doing cute things...on warships" an obvious attempt to cash in on the Girls und Panzer phenomenon from a few years ago. However whereas that was essentially a sports anime with tank fighting being the sport, the tension in this series comes from rather higher stakes than loosing a sporting event. There is something quite sinister afoot and the girls unexpectedly find themselves fighting...for their lives. The show, however retains, most of the time the feel of an ensemble 'cute girls in high school' show with the training destroyer's departments serving the same function as school clubs or the individual tank crews in Girls und Panzer.
This leads to a highly schizophrenic alternation between "cute" and "thriller" that was beginning to give me a headache.
Just when I was about to pick up the towel and throw it in however....
OK, canonically her name is Wilhelmina Braunschweig Ingenoh, but come ON! It's Sena without the butterfly pin. Sena Miss. Ingenoh was the student XO of a German school ship, the Graff Spee, which was built to look exactly like it's World War 2 antecedent right down to the plaque on the bridge.
Our heroine's encounter with the German school ship is not as congenial as they might have hoped, but through an unlikely set of circumstances Ingenoh ends up stuck on the Harekaze. This is fortuitous, as their newfound Teutonic shipmate apparently has a genetic affinity for submarines and talks the crew through a nicely portrayed ASW evolution using World War ONE techniques (all they have is a set of paravanes and a single depth charge).
Thanks to Frau Ingenoh's timely intervention our heroines survive long enough to learn a valuable lesson about conserving toilet paper...and to develop a mouse problem.
This show seems almost to be a satire of several different genres. It's a bizarre mess at times but is making me smile in spite of myself.
In any event, Sena's in it, so sacred honor dictates I should watch a few more episodes at least, if only to figure out what the HELL this completely gratuitous catgirl is doing here.
Admit it. You did not expect that sentence to end that way. The individual appears to not even a main character. All the students seem to be baseline human, but during an interrogation of one of our heroines, a naval investigative officer with all of three lines of dialog just happens to have unremarked upon cat ears poking out the top of her head. This comes out of the blue and if one blinked it would have been missed.
I think this show may just be trolling us...but I'm curious enough that I've got to watch more.
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When the best characters in a show are the ship's cat and the girl that sits in the crow's nest all the time and says practically nothing, there's something fundamentally flawed with said show.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one still hanging on.
Posted by: Wonderduck at Tue May 24 23:12:44 2016 (XQ5ac)
Coral
There should be coral, barnacles and sea squirts all over the submerged portions of Tokyo Tower and the surrounding edifices.
From episode 1 of High School Fleet, which is exceedingly odd. It's set in a future where the sea level has risen dramatically. The fact that society has adjusted quite well is a nice departure from the norm, and probably a more accurate prediction than most. Likewise their portrayal of the survivability of an LCS is quite astute but there are issues besides the growth rate of barnacles that do give one pause.
You see, our heroines are on a school ship that is built to broadly resemble a WW2 Japanese destroyer....
Despite the vessel's high pressure steam plant, Harekaze is highly automated and is crewed by a mere 36 high school students who are unsupervised except indirectly from an instructor's flagship.
The student CO, one Misake Akeno, is quite astonished at her assignment given that she just barely made it into the school academically.
The crew's first training cruise hits a snag, partly due to human error and partly due to the ship's finicky steam plant. While the crew does get these matters battened down, things nevertheless turn pear shaped quite suddenly, and not in a way anyone would expect.
I'm not sure what to think at this point. It looks like Girls Und Panzer with destroyers rather than tanks, but with a completely incongruous bit of...edginess.
The girls are attacked by the instructors flagship, which is firing at them with live ammo. They understandably take a moment to process this unexpected development...as mere seconds before this was a cute girls in boats show. Captain Akeno handles her ship well and, trying not to escalate the situation further, responds with a single dummy torpedo which is well aimed by the ships TO. Fortunately the instructor's flagship is an Independence class LCS and thus is made of thin Aluminum and built to civilian ferry standards of survivability.
Our heroines troubles, however are just beginning, as their failure to be dead is now complicating their lives.
Anyway, though it appears to be a collection of current anime fads this show has a certain potential.
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It doesn't "broadly resemble a WW2 Japanese destroyer"... from all evidence presented in the show, it's a Kagero-class DD.
Posted by: Wonderduck at Mon May 9 00:08:39 2016 (XQ5ac)
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How quickly did the water rise and how long has it been at this level? Obviously long enough ago that docks and landings could be built at the new level but long enough for coral to develop?
Posted by: Bill Hunsicker at Sat May 14 08:39:28 2016 (z5/oc)
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Maybe not coral, but barnacles instead. That only takes months.
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I went to a "portal to Gensokyo" panel on the past Saturday and a presenter distributed CDs of his Touhou-themed RPG "story of a lost sky" version 1.1.1. This may be my chance to see what's up with all the hats.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Mon May 9 16:06:51 2016 (XOPVE)
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Is this what you're talking about, Pete? It sounded interesting so I went looking for a download.
This is an important programing note to the subset of our moviegoing readers that are weeks behind on their new release viewing.
At 04:09 this morning, we posted a Batman VS Superman review that, upon reflection, needed some further editing.
To wit.
...does a character study of Batman in the midst of an ethical dilemma that has driven him to distraction and an appreciation of Alfred, the butler...who is portrayed so very right.
...was probably meant to be...
...does a character study of Batman in the midst of an ethical dilemma that has driven him to distraction, and provides an appreciation of Alfred, the butler...who is portrayed so very right.
Note that while a single comma and the word "provides" were technically all that was required to salvage the post from the slash bin, I ultimately decided to do a slightly more comprehensive tweak of the paragraph.
Apologies to those who were initially offended or who rushed off to see the film based on false pretenses.
The Batman Versus Superman film has gotten execrable reviews, and, in any event, exams, term papers and various other adult responsibilities have precluded anything that took time or misallocated my already limited creativity reserves until this week.
My friend BOB!1! claimed to have enjoyed the film, but he had really liked Wing Commander too and so is an unreliable gauge of such matters. Nevertheless, with some trepidation, I accompanied him when he went to see it again this week.
A southern gentleman is expected to comport himself with a degree of stoicism and gentility that makes adequate description of what I sat through difficult to express.
Fortunately, this blog employs some imaginary cartoon debutantes who are not so constrained.
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I agree it was an entertaining film, and I am looking forward to where DC takes their film-universe next. I do have two quarrels with the movie, though:
1. Batman kills a lot of people
2. Batman uses guns.
My greatest exposure to Batman was through the animated Batman and Justice League TV shows, and I just can't reconcile that version of the character with the one in this film.
Still entertaining though, and worth watching.
Posted by: Siergen at Thu Apr 28 15:35:32 2016 (De/yN)
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I took that as part of the point.
Batman is at a particularly dark point and is going over to the dark side. The branding epitomizes that.
Note that he is generally aiming the guns at equipment rather than the actual people that it explodes, flies through the air and falls on....a terribly semantic point to be sure, but as Alfred notes, he is really not himself. Only when he realizes that Superman is some dude trying to save his mother does he begin to get a grip.
Amusingly, it's not until the point when Wonder Woman (unaware of the Kryptonite spear) angrily confronts him about the collateral damage that results from his leading Doomsday INTO the city (this is after Superman is dead) that he realizes that he has done exactly the same thing that Superman did at the beginning of the film, for the same reason...it is the only way to stop a world level threat.
This film has Batman go right to the edge of the moral event horizon before stepping back...and there is a whole LOT of introspection in his future.
At this point I can easily see Batman, (who had quite a few uncomfortable self reflections in this film) very much BECOMING the JLA Batman, to assure himself that he'll never go down that path again.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Thu Apr 28 18:12:57 2016 (/4jFR)
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I enjoyed Afleck's Batman a lot more than I ever expected to (which was practically not at all). He was actually quite good. I didn't enjoy almost anything else about the film. It uses characterizations that I don't care for, and I'm not interested in DC taking the heroes to a darker place so they can reflect and agonize on life. But to be fair, when they said Singer was the choice to launch the DC Movie Universe which would actually start with Man of Steel, I knew then that the franchise was moving in a direction I wouldn't like.
Posted by: Ben at Thu Apr 28 20:58:58 2016 (DRaH+)
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"I'm not interested in DC taking the heroes to a darker place so they can reflect and agonize on life."
We got that once. It was called Knightfall. Afterwards, the letters sections were full of people complaining. DC's response? "You wanted a darker Batman and we gave you one." Very David Bowie in Labyrinth.
Posted by: Rick C at Thu Apr 28 22:07:08 2016 (FvJAK)
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Elaborating on a point that I tried to make above:
All three heroes, in the course of this film, actually turn their backs on being dark and gritty. Batman's been branding people and is willing to kill Superman for not abiding by a higher standard than he maintains. Superman had his dark moment in the last movie and decides to redeem himself...by harassing Batman*. Wonderwoman, gave up on humanity due to the horrors she saw a century ago and has been letting crap happen ever since. All three at one point or another decide..."No, I'm better than this." This movie is, in many ways, a rejection of the dark gritty superhero, and this dynamic makes it an even better jumping off point for the JLA than it might otherwise have been.
* A long missive on the misdirected virtuousness of SJWs could probably be written about that.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Sat Apr 30 17:33:20 2016 (QEjG2)
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One amusing point noticed by my friend BOB!1!
Batman in this film is Alfred's Robin. Alfred is doing all the detective work and Batman is the distracting loon who draws the villain's fire. It's explicitly stated that Batman is off his game, but it is also noted pointedly by Alfred that the only successful gumshoe work he's done lately has been as Bruce Wayne being Bruce Wayne.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Sat Apr 30 17:38:45 2016 (QEjG2)
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