March 24, 2022
Meanwhile: In Russia
UPDATE: As SOON as I posted this...
There is now a report of Shoigu being seen on video yesterday, albeit from a Russian state supported source.
(Well THAT's a frustrating relief.)
UPDATE 2: Nope nope nope. Relief cancelled. Cease relaxation. Shoigu's had a heart attack. Resume the hoarding of the bottlecaps.
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Streiff thinks the Shoigu sighting is a bit sus, and could be explained by video taping a previous TV appearance.
Posted by: PatBuckman at Fri Mar 25 11:37:29 2022 (r9O5h)
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I thought Putin had already fired the Chief of Staff earlier in the first few days of the war?
Now that both sides are going to be exchanging ballistic missiles at each other (At least, assuming the reports from yesterday from Berdyansk can be trusted...), that downward spiral is not as unlikely as it might have been.
Now that both sides are going to be exchanging ballistic missiles at each other (At least, assuming the reports from yesterday from Berdyansk can be trusted...), that downward spiral is not as unlikely as it might have been.
Posted by: cxt217 at Fri Mar 25 20:31:13 2022 (MuaLM)
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I thought Putin had already fired the Chief of Staff earlier in the first few days of the war?
Putin has reportedly fired LOTS of people including some top ranking military in the last month. Chief of Staff is a position, not a person, so even if he did fire the COS the deputy would move up to fill the place. Even in the U.S. civil service where cabinet secretaries require confirmation by the Senate, that process still happens, despite the ceremonial step of the new secretary stepping into the position being designated "acting secretary"until confirmed or replaced.
Now that both sides are going to be exchanging ballistic missiles at each other (At least, assuming the reports from yesterday from Berdyansk can be trusted...)....
What the hell happened in Berdyansk !? Aside from an old Alligator class landing ship blowing up? What about Berdyansk makes a missile exchange more likely?
Putin has reportedly fired LOTS of people including some top ranking military in the last month. Chief of Staff is a position, not a person, so even if he did fire the COS the deputy would move up to fill the place. Even in the U.S. civil service where cabinet secretaries require confirmation by the Senate, that process still happens, despite the ceremonial step of the new secretary stepping into the position being designated "acting secretary"until confirmed or replaced.
Now that both sides are going to be exchanging ballistic missiles at each other (At least, assuming the reports from yesterday from Berdyansk can be trusted...)....
What the hell happened in Berdyansk !? Aside from an old Alligator class landing ship blowing up? What about Berdyansk makes a missile exchange more likely?
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Sat Mar 26 09:26:30 2022 (5iiQK)
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I know that the CoS is a position, but I was using the term to refer to the supposed incumbent Gerasimov, who I thought had been fired shortly after the war began.
What is alleged to have happened to the Alligator-class landing ship at Berdyansk was that the Ukrainians managed to hit her with a ballistic missile. Assuming the Ukrainians tossing ballistic launchers are true (Which given is always the question.), I do not see any reason why the Russians would refrain from returning the favor with interest against Ukrainian targets.
What is alleged to have happened to the Alligator-class landing ship at Berdyansk was that the Ukrainians managed to hit her with a ballistic missile. Assuming the Ukrainians tossing ballistic launchers are true (Which given is always the question.), I do not see any reason why the Russians would refrain from returning the favor with interest against Ukrainian targets.
Posted by: cxt217 at Sat Mar 26 18:38:58 2022 (MuaLM)
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As far as I have heard, the Russians have been using battlefield ballistic missiles quite liberally almost from the beginning of this thing. In particular conventionally armed versions of the Iskander (SS26 Stone) have reportedly been used a lot.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to ICBMs, which, sadly, is not beyond the realm of possibility, but I couldn't figure out how the loss of R.F.S. Orsk would have anything to do with that. Now I see I'd misunderstood and we were having 2 different conversations.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to ICBMs, which, sadly, is not beyond the realm of possibility, but I couldn't figure out how the loss of R.F.S. Orsk would have anything to do with that. Now I see I'd misunderstood and we were having 2 different conversations.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Sat Mar 26 19:48:08 2022 (5iiQK)
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I probably seen some of the same reports, but I have not seen any official confirmation of Russian ballistic missiles, as oppose to battlefield rockets or surface to surface missiles. I know what many people would want to be true, but we are currently at the stage of not even knowing what we do not know...
...For that matter, I would not be surprised if either the Ukrainian or Russian officials start believing footage from Arma 3 as video of the real thing.
...For that matter, I would not be surprised if either the Ukrainian or Russian officials start believing footage from Arma 3 as video of the real thing.
Posted by: cxt217 at Sat Mar 26 19:56:32 2022 (MuaLM)
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