July 29, 2013
To this end, Japan began producing destroyers for antisubmarine warfare, that is convoy protection of Japans sea lanes. This is a purely defensive operation well within the purview of Japans constitutional restrictions on its military self defense forces. The 1950s destroyers carried fearsome torpedo batteries, but these were seen in the context of coastal defense and convoy defense, particularly with long range ASW torpedoes.
By the early '60s though, the concept of heavyweight ASW torpedoes was looking less tenable. The US and Australia were developing rocket boosted torpedoes and the Canadians, French and Italians were looking at big ASW Helicopters, which could do many of the things the US Blimps had done in WW2 but had much shorter range.
The Japanese decided to go with both options, buying ASROC from the US and developing the American Sea King as an ASW platform. The Sea King was a huge chopper, and to be effective, at least one (preferably 2) needed to be on station around a convoy, dropping sonar buoys and dipping their big sonar at any time. However helicopters have very short legs and the Sea King is awkward to handle on a small ship*. For destroyers the Japanese joined with the Americans in producing an ultimately abortive small torpedo carrying drone but this was no substitute for the capabilities of the Sea King.
To this end the Japanese ordered an experimental small helicopter carrier as part of the same procurement program as their prototype guided missile destroyer Amatsukaze. I've found very little on this ship. It reportedly was to have been about 10,000 tons and armed with 8 3" 50 caliber guns and 8-10 Sea Kings. As such it would seem to be a purely defensive ship with next to no capability to do anything except guard Japans sea lanes...it also would have been exceedingly useful in that role and made Japanese convoy defense operations vastly more effective. Japan was looking at 4-6 escort groups each built around one of these vessels.
However experience has shown that three helicopters is insufficient to keep even 1 on station at all times. There is also the need for a large seaworthy vessel to operate helicopters in high sea states and convoy defense requires a certain amount of command and control space beyond that of an escort. An escort carrier is precisely what Japan need. It's too bad they can't have any carriers isn't it ?
In a COMPLETELY unrelated development. Japan has begun replacing it's large helicopter capable destroyers of the Haruna and Shirane classes with the somewhat larger 'destroyers' of the Hyuga class. These carry an official complement of 4 big helicopters in a VERY spacious hanger that can accommodate 16 or more in a pinch. Of course, as the JMSDF has explained to the legislature, these ships have a phased array radar and a battery of between 40 and 64 guided missiles (depending on which missile types are carried in their 16 missile tubes) so they are totally destroyers.
Though far larger and more capable than the proposed carrier of the 1960s these destroyers nevertheless are only a stopgap design. Since Japan cannot possess aircraft carriers the country needs to build the very best destroyers it can get as compensation. Thus the next class designated "22DDH" will be a bit larger....Actually they'll be about 19,000 tons standard and 27,000 tons fully loaded. That's about the size of a Yorktown class aircraft carrier.
Here she is drawn to scale with JDS Hyuga...
...and here the new ship is seen in comparison to three historical Japanese ships: Akagi, Shokaku and Kaga.
These ships will have, in addition to their missile batteries, 7 ASW helicopters in a VERY spacious hangar. In fact the hangar is about the size of that on an early Essex class carrier. The ship will also carry several 'search and rescue aircraft'. This SAR wing will consist of V-22 Ospreys. However, according to some sources, it will also include F-35 Bs which no doubt will bring a smile to many a stranded mariner as they drop life rafts from their bomb bays rescue equipment compartments. (I'm a bit skeptical of the F-35 reports, if only because the whole F-35 program is in disarray). The ships will also be able to carry a very large number of Ground Self Defense troops for disaster relief. This is a useful capability as Japan is prone to disasters such as volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunami's, typhoons and Chinese nationals on the Senkakus
27,000 tons might seem large for a destroyer but that's the kind of inefficiency one gets when one decides to put a bunch of helicopters on a destroyer.
It's just a terrible terrible shame that the Japanese can't have any carriers.
*don't tell the Canadians that though.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Mon Jul 29 13:29:27 2013 (RqRa5)
Muppet, the JMSDF should take a note from the RN and call them "Through-deck destroyers."
Posted by: Wonderduck at Tue Jul 30 01:02:18 2013 (NvF/3)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Tue Jul 30 16:18:20 2013 (RqRa5)
Which is, in its own way, a really scary thought. Japan doesn't have a fixed-wing naval aviation program at all, right? So there's nothing to stop them, from the perspective of an internal military constituency, from implementing a naval drone air program...
By which I mean: the US is unlikely to institute a program to construct large numbers of air superiority drones because the current air superiority mission is held by the Air Force (terrified of the idea of their legions of officer-pilots being replaced by a few sergeants) and the Navy by carrier-group admirals (who are not likely to want to be reduced to drone-destroyer launch platforms as part of a battlegroup). With the services in opposition to the measure, it's just not likely that the funding would be devoted to the necessary development.
In contrast, Japan just doesn't have the second group at all, and air-superiority drones aren't really all that different from search-and-rescue drones (i.e. they are a drone with a radar and an "accessory attachment point that we're not going to call a hardpoint for public consumption"). So it would be relatively easier for Japan to gin up a drone-fighter capability, without the political mess that they'd run into trying to build a full carrier capability...
Maybe I'm just paranoid. Or more like, I don't actually have a problem with it either way...
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at Tue Aug 6 23:22:38 2013 (pWQz4)
I'd not be surprised if the Japanese went into a different direction that is very drone centric. That may cause some problems for them as anything, especially something that takes instructions via wireless can be hacked.
I'm not terribly concerned about Japan rearming. I actually welcome it.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Wed Aug 7 00:31:30 2013 (F7DdT)
I'm not terribly concerned about Japan rearming. I actually welcome it.I, for one, welcome our new mecha overlords...
Posted by: Siergen at Thu Aug 8 20:40:00 2013 (Ao4Kw)
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