October 03, 2020
And someday, I'll detail my epic 5 year adventure.
Posted by: Ben at Sat Oct 3 19:37:55 2020 (9Wcjc)
Posted by: Mauser at Sun Oct 4 03:27:36 2020 (Ix1l6)
Posted by: Siergen at Sun Oct 4 08:53:02 2020 (jIT9h)
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Sun Oct 4 14:29:14 2020 (5iiQK)
The real trick there is that their performers basically start off with a huge leg up. The technical challenge of setting up a cute little avatar image and getting the streaming going is not that large. But building an audience is tough - most people stream to almost nobody, and it takes a lot of work and luck to go from a dozen people to a thousand.
The Hololive folks, now that they've got that critical mass, basically walk into the job already successful there. They launched their EN side with five streamers all with thousands of people watching, just because the company could afford to spread a little hype around the market - because they've got their already-popular stuff feeding into it, it's like being a brand new cover band getting picked to tour with and open for an established band that can pack the stadium every night. Of course they still have to be engaging enough to keep people watching, but there are plenty of people who have that trait but not the interest needed to get a career off the ground.
The downside is that yeah, the idol industry is not pretty; it's about sucking a bunch of money out of the wallets of lonely young men, and part of that is not pissing off the lonely young men. In Japan this usually manifests in "no boys" - no boyfriends, no partners, definitely no getting married, to keep up the fantasy that you're at least theoretically available (even if the guys have no chance, a lot of them just won't deal with the reality of "my idol is interested in a man who is not me!")
If you take the Japanese money, you've got to deal with that kind of pathology; if you take the Chinese money, well, you have the Chinese equivalent.
In either case, the company reaction is pretty much par for the course - even though as observers we can nod and say "man, the idol industry sucks," that's how it is. As far as the production company is concerned, the idols are there to do a job and get paid, and they're disposable if they cause the company trouble; how much more so for a vtuber, when they're just anonymous actresses for an identity that the company manufactured?
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at Sun Oct 4 16:58:12 2020 (v29Tn)
Posted by: Rick C at Sun Oct 4 17:13:24 2020 (eqaFC)
Hololive is an idol production companyOh.
An idol company.
So the "doesn't have their employees back" thing doesn't aply, since in this country they'd be a 13th amendment violation.
Interestingly, several of their V-tubers got their audiences on their own and (as I understand it) Hololive walked in and offered them marketing deals.
Now Hololive is doing auditions for V-Tubers whose ascendance they can micro-manage. I've heard (from a few English language V-Tubers) that even the ones who built their own following have, in the last few days. been shocked to learn that Hololive owns the characters now, and they can be replaced. ( I have no confirmation from that other than hearsay, but learning that Hololive is an Idol company means that they are the Weyland-Yutani of meat markets).....and yeah...looking it up, If I'd known ANYTHING about the Idol scene I'd have known what hololive was. I thought they were a new company looking to get in on the V-Tuber thing.
Still no luck on the Blog obviously. In fact, it is supposed to be back to its old settings now.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Sun Oct 4 17:16:03 2020 (5iiQK)
Also, if you highlight the text, it's readable.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Sun Oct 4 17:17:49 2020 (5iiQK)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Sun Oct 4 18:46:26 2020 (LZ7Bg)
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Sun Oct 4 21:30:37 2020 (5iiQK)
Did you guys see the story about the new CCP Chinese ethics and law textbook, where they include the story of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery... where Jesus waits until the Pharisees have gone away, and then HE stones the woman to death?
Seriously, I think it's clear who the baddies are.
Posted by: Suburbanbanshee at Mon Oct 5 08:43:25 2020 (sF8WE)
I hope that what went on behind the scenes is more along the lines of "you did nothing wrong, but we have to pretend to punish you because these Chinese assholes are insane".
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Tue Oct 6 10:25:05 2020 (PiXy!)
While Cover Corp (Hololive) is indeed an idol company, they take a percentage (albeit a large one) rather than taking the whole amount and paying a salary.
OK. That's better than I'd feared. It also makes sense given how the first lot of V-tubers were recruited (Most, if not all were already established.)
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Tue Oct 6 10:51:03 2020 (5iiQK)
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at Tue Oct 6 14:43:27 2020 (v29Tn)
Posted by: Ubu at Thu Oct 8 00:35:44 2020 (UlsdO)
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